Your Life LBC Praises & Prayers

Coats, Communion, Chips and Salsa

2008-12-15T11:05:00.002-05:00

hey everyone...

hope you are all enjoying the Christmas Season!!

This Wednesday evening (17dec) we are going to meet in
the upstairs classroom at 6pm to sort the growing mound
of coats which we plan to distribute at the Secret Santa
event on Thursday evening (18dec) also at 6pm.

After the coat sorting on Wednesday evening we will head
downstairs to participate in the "drop in" communion service,
around 7pm, and then we are off to the El Sombrero (thompson
bridge/blockbuster location) for dinner.

We'd love for you to join us for the whole evening but if you're
running late or have to be home early join us when you can.

peace on earth, good will to men!

pumpkin fest

2008-10-27T21:52:00.002-05:00

hey everyone...

Its time for the great pumpkin(fest)
This wednesday October 29th from 5pm to 830pm
We need volunteers to help with our face
painting and fair hair booth. If you are a
talented face painter/hair decorator (or not)
see you there.

Jim

correction!!

2008-09-30T20:30:00.002-05:00

We will meet at the church at

9am

for the panther creek hike this weekend

not 10am as was previously reported...

have a great week.

Lions and tigers and... panthers? no way!!

2008-09-29T09:38:00.003-05:00

Yes we will be hiking panther creek this weekend. As advertised there are NO panthers on panther creek and no lions or bears. So it should be safe for everyone. We will meet at the church at 10am on Saturday morning and then carpool up to the trail. Pack a lunch we will eat when we get out to the falls. The hike is an out and back total distance is about 6 miles and its pretty flat. Should be a great day for it! Hope to see you all on Saturday morning...

christmas in september

2008-09-23T09:06:00.002-05:00

Merry Christmas,

I know its early for that but its time to get started on our annual Christmas Coat Drive. We are planning on meeting tomorrow night (thats wednesday september 24th) in our luxurious classroom to wrap some boxes which will be placed around the church as receptacles for the coats. Bring Big Boxes, wrapping paper, scissors and tape, oh and your Christmas spirit. We'll order some pizza and make a regular party out of it. That's this Wednesday night at 6pm...see you then.

PS great job to bryan and wilson on the fiesta football tailgate last Saturday. The Fajitas were awesome. Thanks guys!!

Tailgate Fiesta and Football

2008-09-15T11:25:00.002-05:00

hey everyone...

don't forget that we have a tailgate party this saturday night at Brian Morris's Apartment. Apparently there is a Georgia game that night at 8pm. They are playing some team from Arizona. Fiesta style food (cooked up by Wilson) will be available around 630. Brian lives in the apartment complex directly behind Chili's in Gainesville. His apartment number is 924 and rumor has it that you can access the gate with the code 1980.

If you have questions or need directions contact Brian at brianmo75@hotmail.com

have a great week...

pancakes

2008-09-03T20:14:00.003-05:00

this week there will be no class...
instead we will be meeting and eating pancakes (for free) at 9am
in the fellowship hall...this is to kick off the 40 days
of community extravaganza...its still not to late to get into a
small group!! Allie and Brian are hosting apartment community
groups. Let us know if you need more info... See you at the BIG FEED!

two more events..

2008-08-26T06:19:00.002-05:00

Hey guys while you are marking your calendars please take note of two events being sponsored by Randy's House.

Sept 26th 7pm Sonny Landreth concert and low country boil at the Brenau Amphitheater

Sept 27th 7pm Nick Vujicic will be speaking at the Brenau Amphitheater. Born in Australia with no arms and no legs Nick has overcome many obstacles and is now a motivational speaker. No charge for this event.

You can get more info on both these events at www.ourneighbor.org

mark your calendars!!

2008-08-25T19:37:00.002-05:00

upcoming twenty-somethings events for September and October:

September 20th - Football party prior to and during the UGA vs ASU game. At Brian Morris's apartment.

October 4th - Hiking Panther Creek trail. 7 Mile round trip (mostly level) to Panther Creek Falls. Fall colors should be looking good!!

Corn Maze extravaganza - late October (date TBD)

October 29th - Pumpkin Fest - Lakewood's Fall Festival. We (20's) are going to have our own booth this year...something to do with face painting and FAIR HAIR..

mark your calendars - hope to see you at these upcoming events.

Girls Night This Thursday 6:30pm

2008-08-25T19:26:00.002-05:00

To the Twentysomething Girls,

We are going to have dinner and fellowship this Thursday evening at 6:30pm at Patti and Jim's house at 1161 Saint Charles Place (off of Park Street between Brenau and Sherwood Plaza).

We are going to have a baked potato/salad bar.

I will have potatoes, sour cream, cheese, butter and lettuce, dressings and beverages.
Sign up to bring your favorite topping or beverage!

Let me know if you are planning on coming.

My email is patti@leecreativeservices.com, my cell is 770 654-5073.

Blessings,
Patti

Sunday School Location in the a.m.

2008-08-16T16:48:00.002-05:00

Tomorrow for sunday school the 20 somethings will be meeting in the Lodge in the High School Room to listen to Chris Orr lead worship at 9:30. I hope you all are able to make it! We will continue with Collosians Ch 2 next Sunday!

Books for sale!!

2008-08-14T14:37:00.002-05:00

The guys in Randy's House (Mike, Jason, Randy) are having a book sale this Saturday at their house. Over 700 books on sale. Sale starts at 9am and runs into the afternoon. Stop by say hi and buy a book. Reading is a good thing! The house is located on Prior Street in Gainesville (near brenau university). Check out their website at www.ourneighbor.org

Bosnia, NASA and you

2008-08-01T10:41:00.002-05:00

Its time to gear up for the annual mission trip to the Balkans. This year its back to Sarajevo, Bosnia. Its a 1 week trip from 7-16 November. This year we will be supporting a Seminar on "Success" by Dr Harold Finch, former NASA APOLLO mission engineer. As usual we will be focusing on relationship building with university students and advertising for the seminars.

Its a great opportunity to stretch your faith and share your life with people of a different culture.

Trip info meeting is scheduled for right after church on August 10th. Commitments needed by 31 August.

CS Lewis, Judgment and Colossians

2008-07-30T10:04:00.003-05:00

There is someone I love,
- even though I don't approve of what he does
There is someone I accept,
- though some of his thoughts and actions revolt me
There is someone I forgive
- though he hurts the people I love the most

That person is me

CS Lewis

Nice discussion on Judgment last sunday week remember All people are created by God.. his fingerprints are on them... recognize and respect that.. try to find the good and true things about them and focus on that!

We are wrapping up the unChristian study this week (surprise guest teacher) and are going to start looking at the book of Colossians starting August 10th!!

pool party

2008-07-16T09:12:00.002-05:00

Twenty-Somethings Pool Party
this Sunday afternoon July 20th..
after church. 1pm til.....sunburn...ouch
Summit Place At Limestone. (off limestone parkway)
See you there!!!

Jamin's farewell

2008-06-24T15:17:00.002-05:00

hey everyone...

For those of you that didn't know.. Jamin Ward has taken a new job back home in AL-Bany, Georgia. He will only be around a couple more weeks. There is going to be a farewell party for him this Saturday night at the Crossroads Grill... We will certainly miss Jamin but are happy that he will be back home with his fam. Come on out and help send Jamin off. Rumor has it there may be some bowling going on after the meal...(at the bowling alley, not the grill!!)

for more details or to rsvp go to: http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.php&eid=17704138862

Hope to see you there.

unChristian

2008-05-29T10:16:00.002-05:00

hey everyone...

As memorial day slides into the rear view mirror and summer is suddenly upon us.. I've got a couple questions..

Are you a buster or a mosaic?
Is your faith more about what you are "for" or what you are "against"
What do your "outside the church" friends think about you and your faith?

Would it surprise you that over 90% of "outsiders" think of us primarily as anti-gay, judgemental and hypocritical?

Does it matter and what can you do about it?

For the next several weeks we are going to be taking a look at a new book.
It just might change the way you see yourself and "outsiders".
See you Sunday at 930 in the upstairs "lounge".

http://www.unchristian.com/

pascagula, mississippi

2008-02-28T08:50:00.002-05:00

hey everyone... FYI there is a very short mission trip gearing up to go to Pascagula at the end of april to help out the people STILL recovering from Hurricane Katrina.

We will be doing a variety of projects and NO special construction skills are required. We will be staying at a local church who will be providing meals as well.

The cost is somewhere around $100. We are leaving on Thursday the 24th and returning on Sunday the 27th

information meeting this Sunday (march 2nd) after church at 1230. Come by if you are interested or at least for the free Pizza...

Super Bowl and ALPHA

2008-01-31T09:32:00.000-05:00

Hey couple quick reminders...

super bowl party this sunday afternoon at Jamin and Lee's house..here's the facebook link for more info... http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.php&eid=8106847598

The theme is something about the patriots wrecking the giants... whatever guys!! Go G-MEN!!
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Also dont forget ALPHA is starting up sunday evening February 10th from 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. in Room 128 E/F.

And yes, Alpha is for ALL SINGLES, regardless of where you are spiritually.
For the non-believer, Alpha is an opportunity to explore the claims of Christianity in a non-threatening environment. For the new believer, Alpha will help lay a firm foundation for your new faith. For the mature believer, Alpha will re-energize your faith and reaffirm your commitment to Christ.

Over 8 million people world-wide have now attended an Alpha course, an opportunity to explore the meaning of life.

Register for the course today by contacting Linda Clore at lclore@lakewood-baptist.com.

Books and Brews: A Latte Library

2008-01-16T10:15:00.000-05:00

i guess this message didn't show up in the email:

Randy Owens reports that things are going well with Randy's House. They are planning on opening a book store and coffee house this spring. Its gonna be called "Books and Brews: A Latte Library". The coffee house will be located at 321 Spring Street (just off the square). The will be selling new and used books. If you want to donate any books for the coffee shop you can bring them by Randy's House any time.

In addition, Randy's House is planning a Dinner/Auction at the Chattahoochee Country Club on Feb 8th.

You can follow up on these announcements and find additional info at the following website: www.ourneighbor.org

Abraham, Sarah and Pharaoh

2008-01-15T21:26:00.000-05:00

Abraham and Sarah head down to Egypt to escape a famine in Canaan. On the way down Abraham tells his wife Sarah: "hey baby in case anyone asks.. just tell em your my sister". nice. When they get there, Pharaoh lays eyes on Sarah and decides to bring her into "the fold". Abraham doesn't lift a finger. What's up with this story?? What's the point?

Check out Genesis 12. We'll talk about it Sunday. See you then.

Books and Brews: A Latte Library

2008-01-15T21:18:00.000-05:00

Randy Owens reports that things are going well with Randy's House. They are planning on opening a book store and coffee house this spring. Its gonna be called "Books and Brews: A Latte Library". The coffee house will be located at 321 Spring Street (just off the square). The will be selling new and used books. If you want to donate any books for the coffee shop you can bring them by Randy's House any time.

In addition, Randy's House is planning a Dinner/Auction at the Chattahoochee Country Club on Feb 8th.

You can follow up on these announcements and find additional info at the following website: www.ourneighbor.org

merry Christmas

2007-12-20T08:25:00.000-05:00

Merry Christmas everyone!!

As a reminder..no class either this sunday or next. We will resume on Jan 6th 2008.

So I guess happy new year is in order as well.

secret santa shopping!!

2007-12-10T14:49:00.000-05:00

hey quick reminder...

we are secret santa shopping this evening. Meeting at the el Pollo Loco's (across from target) for dinner at 6pm then shopping/wrapping afterwards... hope to see you there.

busy busy christmas schedule

2007-12-03T12:32:00.000-05:00

hey the calendar is getting a little crowded this month...
here's the rundown

december 10th 6pm secret santa shopping and dinner
december 13th 630pm secret santa party at lakewood
december 14th 630-1030pm open house christmas party at the Lee's
december 16th 4pm coat drive culminates party at linwood...
december 25th Christmas!!

remember this week we are still poking around in Genesis..whats up with the Tower of Babel anyway?

See you soon...

Christmas Open House

2007-12-01T14:38:00.000-05:00

hey everyone...

you are invited to a Christmas Open house at Jim and Patti Lee's hacienda on December 14th from 630pm to 1030pm. Just drop by anytime. Hope to see you there. Merry Christmas!!

reading genesis: a delicate proposition

2007-11-12T13:00:00.001-05:00

hey...as you are reading genesis this week (at least through chapter 4) just be glad you aren't reading it off of an egg!!

This egg (located in a museum in Israel) has the entire book of Genesis written on it...looks like hebrew to me..

I hope the dude who did this blew the yoke and whites out first...

I wonder about the dualism of this idea: egg (beginning of life) and genesis (begining of life)...

hopefully your bible is slightly easier to read...

coat drive

2007-11-12T11:43:00.000-05:00

hey guys... its time to get the Coat Drive up and running... You may ask yourself "Coat Drive? What Coat Drive?" Well as a reminder every year we collect new and gently used coats from the church to distribute to the good folks at Linwood. We will "gift" them at an event at Linwood in December.

To get the ball rolling we need to set up boxes around the church for the coats. We are going to be meeting this thursday afternoon November 15th at 4pm to "decorate" and set up the boxes. If you would like to help out...bring a roll or two or wrapping paper and meet us upstairs in the 20's classroom...

Christmas is coming... ho ho ho...

Hey Cain, where's the beef?

2007-11-12T11:34:00.000-05:00

Soooo.. we started taking a look at Genesis this week and had a good discussion yesterday in class... There's some amazing stories in Genesis but if you begin to ask WHY as you look at some of these stories you begin to see that there is a lot more to them then initially meets the eye. Next week we will be taking a look at Cain and Abel... Why did Abel's offering please God and Cain's fall short? Hmmmmm....

Genesis

2007-10-31T11:27:00.000-05:00

hey in case you were wondering...we are finishing up the Rob Bell
series "velvet elvis" this Sunday. The following week we will begin
taking a look at Genesis...the first book of the bible.. So if you were
thinking about reading something...try Genesis... Hope to see you
Sunday...

Men: Spaghetti and Monday Night Football

2007-10-31T11:17:00.000-05:00

hey guys (men only):

A group of guys is getting together at Wilson and Randy's "crib"
Monday night at 7pm for dinner (spaghetti), discussion and MNF.
If you are interested in joining us...let Wilson know. You can call
him at 678-471-2852 for directions and other intel.

Pumpkin Fest reminder

2007-10-31T11:10:00.000-05:00

hey just a reminder...pumpkin fest tonight...
20 somethings are working in the inflatables
area..should be easy to find. 530pm-800pm.
hope to see you there.

pumpkin fest

2007-10-26T11:05:00.000-05:00

Its that time of year!! Lakewood is hosting pumpkin fest next wednesday... thats right Halloween night. For those of you who dont know...its a giant carnival with all sorts of games and activities for kids of all ages...

We (the twenty-somethings) have been asked to assist with the inflatables: gigantic slides, bungee runs, moonwalks etc.. they need good adult supervision...

the pumpkin fest is from 5-8pm. You can sign up for a one hour shift or more.

there will be a dinner for volunteers Sunday at 5:30 in the Fellowship Hall. We will gather for fellowship, instructions and prayerwalking the campus.

The new fancy Lakewood Volunteer T Shirts will be on sale for 6.00 each!

PLEASE LET ME KNOW (reply to this email) IF YOU WANT TO TAKE PART IN THIS AND WHAT SHIFT YOU WANT TO WORK.

as usual "game day" decisions are acceptable so if you are unsure till the last minute and decide to show up your services will be accepted!!!

have a great weekend.

jim

prayers 9-9-07

2007-09-10T19:40:00.000-05:00

Hey everyone... great discussion yesterday!! We will stay in chapter 2 of the Velvet Elvis for next Sunday...For extra credit take a look at Acts 15 and Mark 15.

Welcome to our visitors this week

Lindsy
Corey
Robert

Prayer requests for this week are as follows...

Wilson - work issues (boss is getting the ax)

Lindsy - her sister (ashley) recently broke up with her fiance

Becca - Changes at Camp (home) are challenging

Andrea - Mom is cancer free WOOHOOO; Bro is traveling to Taipei

Ricky - Fire Department interview on Wednesday...needs to get off work

Robert - pray for his grandma Su-Su in the hospital

Alaina - friend's (ashley visited last week) grandmother died; Brian graduated from seminary...looking for work at a church

Leslie - friend (josh) struggling with addiction; teacher friend Nicki's son josh (not the same one) dealing with seizures

Randy - getting community socials started up at his apartment complex

Court - friend (stacy) had strep throat all summer (7 times - yikes)

GIRLS GROUP MEETS FOR THE FIRST TIME THIS THURSDAY EVENING!! contact court for details

Fireworks

2007-08-27T10:49:00.000-05:00

We had a few fireworks in class on Sunday morning.
Jason and I got in to a relatively heated discussion.
Bottom line is I handled the situation poorly and owe
each of you an apology.

Jason is a friend who has been like a brother to me.
Over the last couple years Jason and I have debated
many of these issues at length. I love these discussions..
but I didn't want our class time to turn into the Jim and
Jason show.

Jason and I are and will continue to be great friends. We
have worked through this..and our relationship has been
restored (we went mountain biking this morning).

The irony of the whole thing is that one of the main points
of the lesson was that we spend to much time arguing about
stuff and miss the central point of Jesus teaching...
love God..love each other.

2 Timothy 2:23-25 pretty well sums it up:

Don't have anything to do with foolish and stupid arguments,
because you know they produce quarrels. And the Lord's servant
must not quarrel; he must be kind to everyone, able to teach
not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently instruct...

We will start over again with Movement 1 Jump next week...

Peace to each of you

prayers 8-26-07

2007-08-27T10:37:00.000-05:00

prayer requests from august 26th..

Becka- coworkers mom...Betty Hayes clear of Lung Cancer

Jennifer- new niece Kate - 10 days old

Jason- Trip to Bosnia... new jobs at Red Lobster for he and elizabeth

Jamin- possible Job change and move to Albany GA

Court- in charge of logistics for big FCA event at East Hall this thursday

Tank- in Colorado...pray for safety in his activities and travel home

Ricky- waiting to hear about fireman's job.

Patti- peace of mind and good rest for the baby

rafting

2007-08-20T09:44:00.000-05:00

hey its not to late to join the rafting excursion this saturday..
see the website www.yourlifelbc.com for details.. if you haven't
already signed up we need to know if you are "down" with this
trip by wednesday!!

Velvet Elvis..Repainting the Christian Faith

2007-08-20T09:36:00.000-05:00

So we dove into the velvet elvis this weekend...
hope each of you will enjoy this study...

Remember our Truth for the week is Hebrews 13:8

"Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever"

We will be looking at chapter 1 JUMP next week
read it if you want to be in the "know"...

Finally... how do you need "repaint" your Christian Faith?
What do you need to get back to the 'basics' on?
or what old "thing" do you need to look at with a fresh set of eyes?

peace to each of you...

prayers 8-19-07

2007-08-20T09:14:00.000-05:00

hey here's some prayer requests from yesterday...

Courtney...tons of new stuff going on with the new school year... Teaching, Cheerleading, FBLA, FCA, Mission trip to bosnia...whew thats alot!

Jessica... first timer... First time teacher at NGC&SU next week... She'll be teaching athletic training.. Welcome Jessica hope to see you again next week

Ricky... next saturday he's taking the fireman's physical training test. This is the second part of the interview process in hopes of getting a job with the Gainesville FD. Go ricky!!

Tank... Root canal...his mouth hurts...ouch.

Becka... Still trying to figure out how to pay for school and a car and loose the current job...

Andrea... Mom's health regarding a melanoma... and also direction and wisdom as she gets involved with some one-on-one discipleship at UGA..

Brandi.. "she's a fine girl" is having some neck pain and is trying to figure out where to put some sleep in her hectic schedule..

Elizabeth.. Readjusting to life in the land of the "big walmart" seeking direction and a new job to pay the bills.

Jason.. Also readjusting and also looking for work.

Jessie.. her friends Tonya and Kelly both recently had babies..keep them in your prayers...

What would Jonah do??

2007-08-06T14:45:00.000-05:00

So we've been taking a closer look at Jonah the past
couple weeks in class...Next week we'll wrap it up as
we talk about what Jesus thinks about Jonah. As Sarah
suggested yesterday: WE (all of us) are a lot like
Jonah and thats not a pretty sight. So how are you
acting like Jonah...

Are you running from God?

Are you asleep down below when all hands are needed topside?

Who are you judging? Who are you prejudice against?

Are you loving your neighbor as yourself? Or are you more
concerned with your "vine"

Would your rather die then change your ways??

Who do you need to forgive??

think about it... see you next week!!

Prayers 8-5-07

2007-08-06T13:53:00.000-05:00

Prayer requests from class Aug 5

Jennifer: Sister in Law Micki having a baby soon (kate). Pray for a healthy delivery

Leslie: Teachers, students and patience as everyone heads back to school.

Sofia: court case in RI with daughter and Sister going through divorce.

Robin: pray for her new work as an infant swim instructor

Courtney: Sister Olivia had new baby Ian. Pray for Olivia and Ian and their living situation

Sarah: Friends Will and Lauren have a baby (Liam) with a large tumor on his back. Pray for healing and peace for the family.

in to africa

2007-07-13T08:37:00.000-05:00

Hey also keep Andrea and Allie in your prayers as well. They traveled to AFRICA this week on mission. Pray for their health and safety as well as they people they will be meeting and "loving on" in Kenya.

No Class Sunday 15 July

2007-07-13T08:33:00.000-05:00

Hey everyone...

We will not have class this Sunday 15 July 07. Patti and I are heading down to Florida for Nate and Sarah's wedding. Keep them in your prayers as they commit their lives to each other this weekend. See you next week.

Peace out

Jim and Patti

Please pray for Jennifer Westbrook's Coworker

2007-06-05T21:25:00.000-05:00

We received devastating news at school today. Our technology teacher (who celebrated his retirement yesterday) found out last night that his 29 year old daughter was brutally beaten and murdered by a man she had been in a relationship with yesterday in West Palm Beach. She was attempting to get to the airport to get away from him. The man committed suicide after he killed her. My colleague's name is Ron Kozak. His daughter is Amy. He also has 2 sons around the same age.

Please lift up Ron, his sons, and his ex-wife during this horrible time.

2007-04-18T20:03:00.000-05:00

I have a quick request. I am home sick with strep throat and a sprained ankle, so I ask for pray that I will be healed and back to work at full speed soon. Also I would like to pray for our upcoming retreat on the 27/28/29th. I pray that we have a great turn out and that God moves us greatly together as we continue to seek him as a group. If you have not heard about our retreat, check out our website www.yourlifelbc.com for more information.

South Africa Mission Trip

2007-04-10T06:58:00.000-05:00

Hello everyone! I hope you all had a blessed Easter (and that you stayed warm!).

I just wanted to post a request for your prayers for the mission trip to South Africa. We are leaving this afternoon and will be back home April 23rd. The Baptist International Mission Board Southern Africa Cluster is having a confrence in Shelley Beach, South Africa, and we will be doing a VBS for their children while the adults are in their classes. Once we're finshed with that, we're going to spend time with Jane Lawson (for those of you who don't know, Jane is a member of our church, and is a Nurse Missionary in Johannesburg). We will also take a day safari, and fly up to Zambia to see Victoria Falls. It'll be a really awesome time, and I'm excited to see how God will use us. I appreciate your prayers for health and safety for my team and I, and also that we will be flexible and open to whatever God wants to use us for.

I'll post some pictures when we get back; I'll see ya'll in a few weeks!
Love,
Cindy

salvation...

2007-03-24T03:09:00.000-05:00

Pray for the salvation of Amra, Jasmin, Emir, Samir, Almir, Vedad, Ensar, Saron, and Ogy. Pray also for the Girl's Weekend that the girls (Elizabeth, Amy, and Ashley) have organized. It's next weekend!

Pray for Sarajevo...

2007-03-20T17:38:00.000-05:00

Please keep Sarajevo in your prayers. Immediately I would ask that you pray for the salvation of a guy named Jasmin and a girl named Amra. These two, both Muslim, are seemingly close to excepting Christ. Also, I would ask for you to specifically lift up Samir, Emir, Vedad, and Ogy. Pray the Lord would reveal Himself to these guys.

You can also check out our blog here www.sarajevorose.blogspot.com

2007-03-19T20:50:00.000-05:00

Hello Everyone and Welcome to the YourLife Praise and Prayer Request Blog!

I have a huge prayer request...My little sister's best friend was in a car wreck last friday afternoon and died. The boy, Chase, who was driving the car is still in critical condition. Ashley was a senior at BanksCounty High School. The whole community is definitely affected by this loss. Please pray for my sister, my family, the families of the kids in the wreck, the school, and the community as we all deal with this loss.